In our never-ending quest to show you how local food is raised and brought to market, I’m going to take you on a little tour inside a rabbit farm – John Fazio’s Rabbit Farm.
Yes, he’s the same farmer who raises ducks for big name chefs in New York City. But, you should note, he was known for his prized rabbits even before he started raising ducks. And he delivers them fresh, never frozen to NYC kitchens no more than a day or two after “processing” – offering a service that is really hard to find for local chefs.
So, I wanted to share with you the short tour John Fazio gave me. It was never meant to be a video story, but I just couldn’t pass up the education. I don’t think most people have ever seen a commercial rabbit operation. I hadn’t. And all I can tell you is that it’s interesting, very organized and very clean. So come along as John Fazio tours us through his facility, and shows his methods for raising fresh, local rabbits.
For more info on the farm, please contact me on Twitter: @SkeeterNYC
Or to purchase or taste John Fazio’s rabbits, please visit Marlow & Sons or Marlow & Daughters in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, or Savoy in SoHo.
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hmm, this is a tough one. the rabbits are so cute, and yeah, they must be perfectly clean, but anything like (animals raised in cages) disturbs me a little. it just makes me think, do people really need to eat rabbit?
This is such a lovely video and what an immaculate operation Mr. Fazio has there, wow! I truly enjoyed watching this video and it makes me miss my dad who owned and operated a small scale farm in Delaware County, NY. He raised New Zealand rabbits for many years and supplied Goffle Road Poultry in New Jersey. I am sure they would love Mr. Fazio to supply their meat rabbits.
This video is disturbing. It’s like Fazio’s operating a sterile, efficient, little, bunny CAFO where his poor creatures are crammed in cages and, by the looks of it, never get to see sunshine or the outdoors. My husband and I raise our own rabbits, outdoors, with plenty of sunshine and fresh air.
I really would love to film your farm Danielle and show another perspective to raising rabbits. Or do you know anyone near New York that runs an operation similar to yours? I’m very interested.
I don’t care how “humane” this guy’s farm and process is. This is utterly disgusting. I know rabbit is on menus througout NYC and the world, and has been for decades… centuries… but rabbit is NOT AN OKAY FOOD TO EAT! I come from a bunny raising household (strictly as loving and attended family pets), so have very strong opinions. But in America, where there is a vast and thriving meat market for beef, chicken and pork…. RABBIT should not be a special industry for those who have the taste and the cash. I can hardly watch this video, it makes me want to throw-up.
Hi Eugene. I’m so sorry about that. It’s great to get your opinion here and I’m happy that you care so much about animals. Please feel free to share how you think animals should be raised.
I guess I just wanted to show people how a commercial rabbit farm operates so they can form their own opinions about food and educate themselves. I, myself, don’t want to be in the dark about how food gets to my table…and making videos like this makes me start to consider food more thoughtfully, and I only see that as a positive thing.
Eugene, people with pet pigs might say the same about them. Pigs are far far more intelligent and social too…and factory farmed pigs are kept in worse conditions than these rabbits.
I’m not sure about this rabbit farm, as I prefer to eat animals that lived lives and ate diets appropriate to their species. I’ve hunted rabbits that ate my crops when I worked on a farm and they are very easy to hunt and butcher. You know they have had a free life if you kill them in the wild and the proportion of “good” fats is much higher.
Great Video Liza.
Wow, this video is creating quite a little debate on here. It can go both ways, you can ask yourself, do I really need to eat rabbit? and Why not eat it? I’m sure the same questions were raised when people started eating pigeons and quails for example. The good thing is, everyone has a choice to eat them or not. If its not your thing then don’t order it when you go to a restaurant. As for me, if its treated humanely, cooked properly, then I’ll have some rabbit here and there.
I don’t see anything more wrong with eating rabbit than any other animal, even though I raised them for much of my childhood. This factory farm is no better than the awful factory farms that 93% of the chickens we eat are raised in. No space, no daylight, no nature.
What’s wrong with a couple of bucks for wild rabbit? I found this video really disturbing, but I know it’s the ugly truth behind most of the meat consumed today. They’re seen merely as food machines. Ugh.
Way to go liza. Great video. Sustainability starts with an educated consumer. In balancing the needs for nutrients, economic propserity, and proper treatment of food resources, the only way we can move towards a more humane and resilient food system is by allowing consumers to make smart decisions for themselves. Your videos are critical to that. BRAVO!
Thank you Ian! I appreciate that you understand the importance to bringing light to the food practices we do not know. This is a tough reality for some, but the fact is, these animals get to our tables somehow and it IS better to be an educated consumer.
WOW! reading the comments I would say most of the video viewers didn’t have their volume on when watching the video, I thought we told why the rabbits have to be raised off the ground. So this gives me a idea for another way of raising rabbits, i guess i will start raising in big open pens outside and on the ground, this would cut my cost to nothing and i could have a great market. I could then say for all those who don’t want good healthy rabbits come to eat are totally DISEASED AND FULL OF WORMS AND PARASITES RABBIT. To all the video viewers let me know a name for this farm, it won’t have my name on it. Also i like wild rabbit but it is a dark meat and raised rabbit is white meat.
Rabbits can be raised OFF the ground AND OUTSIDE. You don’t need to keep them in a shed devoid of the natural elements.
…same thing with how you’re raising your ducks, in a shed devoid of the elements.
I for one certainly had my volume turned up. The reasons for keeping the rabbits in wire cages with no access to the outdoors or any kind of natural environment is no better than the reasons for keeping veal calves in tiny pens with no room for movement so their meat is lighter and more tender. Cutting the beaks of hens crammed in together so that they don’t peck each other when they go nuts or shoving tubes full of grain down the necks of geese bred for foie gras are other “good reasons”. Just because it makes a tastier product for us does not mean it’s an excuse for cruelty. Wild game is widely available, inexpensive and has been eaten safely since the year dot. Putting worms and disease in capitals doesn’t make the argument any more convincing.
I think it’s brilliant that this video exists, as there is so little information available to the public in the States about how their food is raised. Thank you for shining a light on this.
Since I filmed there first hand, I will say this…John certainly took great care in making sure his animals were very clean and well kept. The droppings and urine were cleaned every day to make sure the place had no problems with disease or bacteria. I also know he does not use any hormones or antibiotics on the animals. He is a firm believer in keeping things as natural as he can – even the food.
I have read there are other options for raising rabbits…but this is the reality of his operation and he tries as best as he can to keep the rabbits in good condition so he can attract top chefs, give NYers a sustainable, local, fresh not-frozen option for rabbit meat and make a living. He truly is proud of his farm. To me, it says a lot that he’s not trying to hide anything.
I bet most people do not know that when you say wild game is available, it is not true because any wild game that is native to us is by LAW not to be sold, so i guess this is a little bit of discouraging news, The only wild game you can buy can not be from ny, and who knows what kind of chemicals other states are allowed to use. so now we get back to when product is imported in what are we eating? This sounds like the people who don’t want people to spray their lawns for health reasons, so ask them do you eat plenty of fruit and greens in the winter, of cource they say, thats nice I don’t because after we do reserch and band certain chemicals they go to the other countries that use them to spray on the friut and other products they grow and ship them back to us. So happy and healthy eating to everyone who just can read articals, but don’t now the real truth, I was born and raised farming, so just ask and i will tell you the truth behind the scenes. I was raised on a produce farm.
hey john thanks for coming on this board to talk about what you do, i understand you said to raise the rabbits on the ground would lead to disease, my question would be, wouldnt the meat be better if they ran around a lot and used their muscles more, and had natural sunlight?
thanks
ian
I wont say that I am shocked at the comments people are making about your farm. Its the way of America.(But i am sure you already know this). I have had the luxury of eating rabbit about ten years ago and its some of the best meat I ever ate. And right now, I am scared of practically all the meat at my grocer’s because I have read one too many articles about how pigs and cows are bred. (Right now I mostly eat goat and lamb from a local Halaal store but i am not jewish or muslim, and the owner tells me he gets alot of people with my concerns buying such meats because they know they are not farm bred) But your farm is not the kind of place I have read about or seen in grainy internet videos. It looks very clean and the kind of meat I would love to eat. The animals look happy, aren’t tortured or fed on a steady diet of anti biotics. Most people do not have a realistic view of what the world food supply looks and the very same “activists” protesting niche markets like this dont even understand that they are trying to push every one into that dirty disgusting beef,poultry, pork market that is that way simply because the demand is too high in the first place. Other meats of the market would alleviate the demand and we would perharps get better products on our store shelves.
John Fazio should be praised for providing a clean safe and healthy beef alternative and not demonized by naive people with little or no understanding of the farming landscape and its realities.
I must say that after watching the video twice I didn’t feel like the rabbits were being mistreated. They were able to move around and the cages were clean. I think the reality is that the people who are complaining that they are in cages that “aren’t natural” probably wouldn’t be eating little bunnies anyway. I applaud Mr. Fazio for allowing Ms. de Guia to film inside his facility and allowing us to learn a little more about an industry that so very little of us know about… or in some cases have little understanding about how food is raised.
I have never eaten rabbit. But if I do, I certainly hope it comes from a facility like John Fazio’s.
Of course not, rabbits love to be confined in cages with little to no exercise. They also enjoy being used as baby machines, and especially enjoy being slaughtered and eaten. Rabbits are animals not food, and anyone who thinks otherwise should put themselves in a rabbit‚Äö√Ñ√¥s place for a moment and think…I believe it’s called empathy, try it…..it’s contagious.
Rabbits are by definition ‘Baby Machines’. No one forces rabbits to mate. They just do. And most ‘pet’ rabbits live alone in small cages anyway and are not ‘free range bunnies’.
Thank you, Andrew, for pointing out that pet rabbits are kept in similar cages. I’ll go further to point out that those same pet rabbits don’t go outside, and therefore don’t have access to sunshine and fresh air. Is that animal cruelty? What about hamsters and gerbils in cages, being fed pet-store pet food (of questionable quality, I assume)?
As for “baby machines” — bunnies are the mascots for Easter because they’re known for their fertility, and Easter is a celebration of Spring. Spring=mating=abundance=fertility.
I no longer live in the US, so I’m lucky to have seasonal access to very good quality game. I do know that when I did live in the US, finding reasonably priced, ethically produced meat and dairy was very hard, as was finding any information about the farm conditions of the meat neatly packaged in sterile trays in the grocery store.
I LOVE meat. I could never be a vegetarian, let alone vegan, but I feel very strongly that it’s not ok to strip any animal of basic natural comforts -and daylight, grass and room to move are VERY basic- so that we can eat more and more for cheaper and cheaper prices.
In the West, we eat too much meat as it is. We CAN afford to eat higher welfare meat if we choose to.
Videos like this one bring much needed information to consumers.
I now know that when I next visit NYC and am eating out, I’ll know not to assume the rabbit on the menu ever saw the light of day, though if you’re charging $20 for a plate of food, it had better be free range.
We in the UK still have a ways to go with our animal welfare standard requirements, but we do have more affordable access to clearly labeled higher welfare meat and dairy. We’re lucky.
I would never ever pay money for rabbit raised in conditions like these, clean or not. This isn’t a farm, it’s a factory. If you put a picture of this place on the package, would it make the consumer feel good about where their money is going?
Those who compare this operation to an industrial animal factory have never seen an industrial animal factory. Unless they were specially trained actors, these animals appear to be very healthy, calm, and content. Raising them outside on the ground is indeed an invitation to parasites as anyone who raises them will tell you. And in the wild, rabbits often live in holes in the ground. That sounds a lot more confining than those cages! Kudos to John for what appears to be an exemplary operation, and to Liza for this interesting video.
“And in the wild, rabbits often live in holes in the ground. That sounds a lot more confining than those cages!”
Lorenzo, apparently you have never investigated a wild rabbit habitat, or you would know that they live in those holes SINGALLY. AND, they choose those quarters for themselves. The earth is a nature habitat. Enslaved in wire cages with a hand full of others, living nose-to-nose their entire lives is man’s profit-driven cruel invention.
Hmm, what business are you in or considering?
Um, have you never heard of a wild rabbit WARREN, Ms Muller? This is a communal, underground habitat. Very confined, indeed. BTW, no one here is listening to your rantings but we’re having a good time playing.
I understand raising the rabbits indoors is preferable to raising them on the ground. Besides what Mr. Fazio outlined with the disease problem, you have foxes/wolves/cats to worry about, and also a level of responsibility and a food producer to understand the environment at all times. Indoor is the only reasonable way to keep all of this in check. I also understand the “but they never get to see daylight” argument. Nature can be far crueler than these well fed, handled, bred, and ultimately butchered animals. Just watch some National Geographic programming.
I don’t care for the vegan/vegetarian “meat is murder” crowd offering the don’t eat meat solution to the omnivores at large. That’s a close-minded singular view that is about as helpful as abstinence advice for eighteen year olds at their first year of college. So my question is this, what would the happy medium be? Retractable skylights? 3x3ft pens instead of 2x2ft?
I’m not suggesting Mr. Fazio implement the suggestions as he has his own financial priorities that must be managed as any other small business person must, but I would like to see constructive critisism out of this educated crowd rather than an outright crucifiction of what I see as an absolutely outsanding local food production operation.
Yes, Todd. You left “quite an opinion,” to quote your Twitter. The middle paragraph especially. I leave opinions like that often but like to flush when I’m done.
I just wanted to compliment this awesome video, and to let John Fazio know I appreciate him showing up in the thread to explain his point of view. I myself eat meat very infrequently, but might one day try rabbit just to try something novel to me.
The movement to inform consumers of where what they eat comes from, and what goes into its preparation, is great and videos and discussions like this can only help both our society and culture. Cheers!
Just wanted to avoid the chain of conversation heading straight to “I have a suggestion… Don’t eat rabbit.”
All apologies if you found that particular example rough around the edges. It was the first mentally available parallel in regards to avoiding the unavoidable for a large portion of the population and the unproductive banter that comes with the territory.
I have pet rabbits and I enjoy having them around. You definitely form a bond with them and they all have their own unique personalities. They are different types of rabbits than you would see being raised for food. They aren’t very large and they don’t have a lot of meat on them. They are domesticated pets. Granted some people might have the type of rabbits that John raises as pets, but in general not so much.
That said, they are still rabbits and while you might argue that they should be able to run and jump and do the things that rabbits like to do (and rabbits do love to run and jump) at the same time these rabbits are destined for slaughter and most of them probably attain full growth in a few months and are then sent out. Living in their little cage warrens that John has setup isn’t a particularly bad life from what I can see. Many people keep rabbits in much worse conditions in homes. They are clean and they interact with each other. In general the main thing is that rabbits are communal animals and as long as they can interact with others of their kind they are happy. Could they be living better lives as pets? I suppose, but I don’t see anything particularly cruel about the setup that John has there.
I mean, it’s certainly not worse than the cow and pig slaughterhouses that we have across the country where the cows and pigs wallow in their own feces.
People can feel free to eat what they want to eat. I won’t eat rabbit and I’d rather not be exposed to rabbit slaughter, but for some people it’s fine and I don’t really have a problem with it from that end. It would be hypocritical of me to lambast people for eating rabbits when I eat cow and pig all the time.
“Many people keep rabbits in much worse conditions in homes.” So, Harvey, do you mean to say that two wrongs make the lesser evil right?
Like i said I was born and raised on a produce farm. I woke up one morning to see that the rabbits had eaten all my crops. I would have starved if i din’t eat the rabbit.
Mr. Fazio, in reading about your justifications for doing what you do, I get a pretty clear picture of your character. The fact that your operation is small scale does not separate you from the likes of the large factory farms. You may be able to keep your operation cleaner (rabbits are naturally cleaner to keep), but you are all in the business for the same reason. And as with large scale chicken and egg operations, the “standards” for rabbits are created for maximizing profits: cram the most into the least amount of space to maximize the greatest amount of profit. Likewise, these standard do not hold you to much accountability since there are no laws to protect chickens or rabbits. And, like all for-profit businesses that try to fool the public by quoting the standards, you don’t care about the animals; you care about money.
You wrote, ” I woke up one morning to see that the rabbits had eaten all my crops. I would have starved if i din‚Äö√Ñ√¥t eat the rabbit.” That’s preposterous! Sounds more like you took revenge on the rabbits for getting into your garden. You can fool some of the people all of the time–especially if they’re young. But some of the people are too old to be fooled at all.
I echo the sentiments of others here: There is no “humane” SLAUGHTER. Premeditated killing is an act of violence no matter the species. And when the joy of killing takes over, it is difficult, if not impossible, for the joy killers to stop, especially if it is profitable.
Humans have made meat a staple food, because they suffer from sheeple syndrome. Nobody, that’s right, nobody needs meat to sustain life or health. And in the end, humans would rather be selfish than worry about the life of a defenseless creature. And nobody needs to see a defenseless creature wontedly killed to understand where food comes from. This notion is the new mantra for trying to desensitize an ever growing population of concerned young society.
Mr. Fazio, you’re not just a farmer, you’re a profit-driven business with all the standard symptoms.
How easy it is to attack people you don’t know, DMuller! If all of us flesh eaters (i.e. humans) are murderers, why should we even care how the animals are treated? This is a silly argument. There is no reasoning with someone like you who can ‘think’ only in the most extreme and absolute terms. Did you breathe today? You probably killed several million microorganisms, you murderous scoundrel!! And in the morning when you put on your organically grown, fair trade, hemp shirt, please remember that all human agriculture displaces and kills animals. Have you any idea how many little mice and baby birds and bunnies are slaughtered when that tractor comes along to harvest those soy beans you love so much? Tofu is murder, too! Do you see? We can all be silly like you!
We have a small 24 hole barn and raise rabbits for show and meat, mostly our own consumption. I’ve seen clips of rabbit farms with very poor conditions and this one is not. Congratulations Mr. Fazio on a great set up. Our rabbits hate coming out of their cages. It’s their “territory” and they feel safe and secure there. As long as they have food (we also include grass hay) and water they are comfortable.
As for being inside or out every 4-H Rabbit Club in the country will tell you to keep rabbits out of direct sunshine and in winter out of the wind and snow. While a few skylights wouldn’t hurt (they’d give some natural light for the human workers) it’s probably not that big of a deal. Good ventilation is much more important.
And importantly, rabbit meat has the highest protein and lowest cholesterol for ANY livestock. If you eat meat rabbit is great for your health. EAT MORE RABBIT!!!!
I was as fascinated by the comments as by the video (which was excellent). Mr. Fazio is clearly in the know about how and why rabbits need to be raised certain ways. There are indeed diseases which can be caught by eating wild rabbit, truly wild rabbits and I would not want to risk that.
If people want to eat rabbit (and a significant number do), I think that Mr. Fazio is honest about how and why he conducts his business as he does. If people truly knew how much of the meat they ate was raised, they’d find Mr. Fazio’s operation to be far more humane by comparison.
I had to come back and note that Mr. Fazio has taken a great deal of time to explain how and why he raises his rabbits. While some may feel there are better options, IF people are going to eat rabbit (and they are), his methods help ensure that people don’t get sick from rabbit meat. There are breeders who raise and sell rabbits in far worse conditions.
I can’t help thinking of Temple Grandin (a writer worth seeking out) who noted that cattle were going to be slaughtered and that couldn’t be prevented. However, she believed that they could be handled more humanely, even though they would be killed. I don’t see how this is any different than what Mr. Fazio does.
Liza — thanks for documenting what goes on in a rabbit farm. I am guessing, despite the cage environment, this is one of the ‘nicer’ rabbit factory farms.
however, it seems there is a huge missing part of this rabbit meat rearing process that the public needs to see — the part where the animals are slaughtered.
there is something quite ironic about the phrase ‘humane meat’ — it’s as big of an oxymoron as you can get. what is ‘humane’ about raising living beings in cages their entire lives…devoid of natural elements of sunlight, fresh air (that doesn’t only from from rooftop ventilation), and the ability to use their legs to hop farther than half a foot for their entire lives. and what is so ‘humane’ about eating dead carcasses of animal flesh?
john you said you were raised on a ‘poultry’ farm and would have starved. sorry, I don’t buy that. poultry is fed grains and feed…that is processed from the very same vegetation people eat. what an incredible waste of resources to take food to feed to animals, and then in turn slaughter animals for food.
It was a joke and i said produce not poultry. now let me tell all you vegge eaters meat is in the food chain, first of all depending on were you live produce does not grow in the winter, so by nature this is why man likes salads and veg. in the summer months and then turns to meats in the winter months do you think this is why you see the meat products sell more in the winter this is why all by nature, does this happen and we don’t even know that, also do anybody know how and why are teeth are designed the way they are, it is to tear MEAT. I would also like to know why so many of you that want everything to be natural, do you go outside and cover your plants with a plastic pot when their is a frost coming, let nature take it’s cource, why a fence around your garden let nature take it’s cource. do you know how many little rabbits die trying to get threw the fence and break their necks that cruel, for you to keep nature out of your garden, to be so selfish, someone should lock you a couple of feet away from your food source and see how you like it.
also let me tell you befor you write you should read, if you read some of the stuff here it will tell you why we raise the way we do, natural is not always the best as a person with a brain we are always thinking of better ways. Just like we use sunblock, WHY the sun is natural but it can hurt us. skin cancer. so nature freeks, if you are going to write something can you please use your brain. let me ask you if I bring fresh air from outside and run it threw a filter before it comes into the barn, is this like it is not natural air did i make the air, or just clean the air that you poluted when you drove by to see what i was doing, see I ride a horse, no motor powered stuff on my farm. now do we see what fakes you really are, it’s just what you do you think is right, no it’s your disicion which is fine but use your brain and just watch and ask educated ?’s.
A LOT OF MISSED SPELLED WORDS IN WHAT I WROTE BUT JUST A FARMER HERE.
Not everyone is arguing with you, Mr. Fazio, and when it comes to food and how it is produced, emotions can run high. It is clear that you care about what you do and how you do it. There can be a range of opinions about food production and my hope is that the discussion will lead to greater understanding rather than attacks on each other.
Liza, thank you for sharing with the public what a rabbit farm looks like.
I must say watching this video made me extremely sad and horrified. The rabbits are so cute and pet-able…even John Favio was petting them. Yet it’s such a stark contrast to everything else around them…Perhaps this particular facility ise more organized and cleaner than others. Still, seeing row after row of those tiny metal cages…I just cannot fathom how it must feel to have to go on day after day “living” like that. And they’re going through this for what? To be murdered and put on someone’s plate to eat. And it’s not like eating rabbits is going to do the person any good. Medical professionals and experts continue to prove that meat consumption is not compatible with our bodies, be it our teeth, immune system or our digestive system. Breeding rabbits and keeping them locked up in cages indoors, then killing them…it just doesn’t seem natural nor does it make sense to me. How could this possibly “humane”? I wish practices could instead be turned into more wholesome, life-promoting and eco-friendly practices like organic vegetable farming.
I realize my wording is rather blunt, but I don’t mean it to be insulting or attacking anyone, I’m just commenting on my reaction. But even though I didn’t have a good time watching the video, I still appreciate that it was posted and helped me see where meat comes from. (BTW, no, I will definitely NOT being eating any dead rabbits, nor any other meat.)
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One of the biggest problems with people who see all animals as pets is they tend to put human traits to those animals. Animals do not think the same way people do. Life is not a Disney film where animals converse and discuss politics or what the plans of the day are. In the wild rabbits are burrowing animals. When they make dens for themselves and their families (who are usually booted out when old enough to fend for themselves), their dens are small and cozy so it reflects their body heat back on them in winter and the ground, away from the sun, cools them in the summer. I have mini Dachshunds and while they have the run of the house and the fenced yard, it’s not unusual to find 3 of them in a pillowcase with a pillow because animals actually do like small spaces for security and comfort. Most animals raised in kennels, cages, or other types of confinement are content to live that way because they don’t know any other life. They don’t long for what they don’t know, can’t afford, or something their neighbor has the way people do. As much as we love our pets, they are not people in fur coats. They are animals. They can be trained to understand simple commands, to live in our society as companions, but they live in the ‘here and now’, not the ‘what could be’. They have no idea what the ‘what could be’ even is. That’s why the rabbits in the video appear content and happy living as they do….they ARE content and happy. They have a clean place to live, enough to eat, and companionship. They don’t need anymore than that.
funny that you say that but do you know that many doctors tell you that if you are going to eat meat you should eat rabbit, it is the healtheist meat available to man. in the south they are using rabbit in nursing homes, for the older people becuse it has a lot of health benifits. and if you take notice yes we eat to much meat, we put a king cut steak on the plate and hardly no veggeies, a good balance should be a lot of veggies and a smaller cut of meat. I think thats what doctors mean when they say stay away from red meats, they don’t mean don’t eat it at all. I would like for you to show me one doctor that says don’t eat any meat, that is not true they will not tell you that.
here is another ? do you think if everyone was just to eat veggies that we could possibly raise enough to feed every one and that is not saying organic, that would be totally impossible. so all i ask is that before someone speaks they should really think, ( what i am going to say is it possable ) so you see what most say they are not really thinking, its just a dream. but as most doctors will tell you dreaming is healthy for you so keep on dreaming.
“… do you think if everyone was just to eat veggies that we could possibly raise enough to feed every one and that is not saying organic, that would be totally impossible.”
Mr. Fazio, your question is the new favorite parrot phrase of those who don’t think for themselves. This notion is ridiculous! Society would be shocked to see how much food ends up in the dumpster’s of all food industries including restaurants and grocery stores. If people had less choices and they had to pay more for them, perhaps they would be less wasteful, thinner, healthier, and financially better off: think obesity, high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes, medical costs, etc. The notion that society SHOULD accept cruelty over better health for humans, and the earth is extremely troubling and dangerous. There is much evidence to show that greed is the driving force in the meat, dairy, and egg industries. These industries are all about bolstering profits not concern for the health of the environment or its inhabitants. Most change only when laws force them to.
“so all i ask is that before someone speaks they should really think, ( what i am going to say is it possable ) so you see what most say they are not really thinking,”
Oh, I’m thinking alright. I’m thinking about how my health has improved since I stopped letting the profit industries dictate my health. I’m thinking that nothing has to suffer and die for my nutrition. I’m thinking that the earth is made healthier by those, like me, who choose not to support devastation and cruelty. And I’m thinking that I have faith in my fellow man to know that when he is pushed to adapt to changing needs, he can do it. It’s the one thing that remains steady through the ages.
“its just a dream. but as most doctors will tell you dreaming is healthy for you so keep on dreaming.”
Some will claim they would rather die eating foods they want rather than deprive themselves, but when they are on their death beds, not one wants to die nor do they want to spend their later years suffering with debiliting health. What the food industry has created is not health-generating pleasant dreams; it’s life-sucking nightmares!
A note to those who think that rabbits don’t have a problem living their lives in cramped cages nose-to-nose and butt-to butt. It’s scary to understand that you accept this cruel industry standard as okay. Like I said before: sheeple syndrome.
Yes, wild rabbits live in small warrens underground, but they are also able to hop around outdoors, eat grass, see sunlight and behave naturally.
While it’s true that there are many pet rabbits kept in small cages, without the right natural stimulation, we’re talking about one or two per household being kept for love and companionship. It’s a shame that these pet owners are ignorant of or indifferent to the needs of their pet, but they’re not keeping thousands upon thousands in tiny cages purely for profit.
That the animals are kept out of their own waste is again to maximize profit, not out of any regard for the animals.
Given that 65% of the world’s land is inhospitable to growing crops, eating some meat it’s a smart, healthy and sustainable choice. The problem is that we’re all lazy and greedy, eating far more meat and processed food than we need and throwing an unconscionable amount of food away every year.
When a country’s beef industry is dictated by one fast food giant (McD) it becomes clear that serious changes need to be made, both by the government and by each and every consumer.
I don’t believe that it’s alright to strip an animal of its basic natural rights just because it’s going to end up as dinner.
If those cages were filled with cats and dogs, would everyone feel just as comfortable with it? I doubt it.
Liza, thanks for producing and posting this excellent (if emotionally challenging) video! I applaud your insistence on showing where “ingredients” come from – honest depiction of farming helps those of us who eat meat to appreciate and respect the animals as we prepare and consume them.
My hat is off to Mr. Fazio for maintaining the quality of life for his rabbits as he does. He obviously cares for them and his ducks. No doubt his profit margins would be higher if he didn’t respect and care for the animals to the extent he does – he deserves much credit for that! I just hope that more and more farmers treat their animals with similar care and respect, and I hope to follow them by showing the “processed” animals sincere respect in my kitchen. Thanks again! (I’d love to see a recipe using his rabbits)
NOTE FROM LIZA – Thanks Seth, I appreciate that so very much and thank you for adding your thoughts here. I think it’s important to hear every angle of argument for or against this. We all live by different ethics, and this topic will always be a heated one for many. I can only respect how people choose to eat and as a filmmaker add as much variety to my films as I can…
FYI – For anyone interested in continuing their education on rabbit meat as a source of food, please stop by later this week. I spent time with a local chef and will be premiering a video about butchering and cooking rabbit properly. I hope not to intentionally offend anyone, but being that I am a meat eater I too find these processes very interesting.
For the non-meat eaters, believe me, I am very much looking forward to Spring and Summer when I can get back on the produce farms and do interesting segments that’ll appeal to you. Lots to look forward to.
Yes, I think it’s good to see comments from all sides, (it actually fortifies my gratitude for vegans) and I too am looking forward to your future segments in the spring and summer =]
this will be the last time I write here I will just watch what others have to say, but I do have to say EMILY what the hell are you smoking to say that they are only kept clean so I can make More money, I really think you need caged rabbit meat in your diet becuse you did catch some kind of bug from all the natural stuff you eat that is eating away at your brain.
Liza, make no mistake, I was a conscienceless meat eater most of my life. That’s when I too suffered from sheeple syndrome: whatever was fed to me as truth, I swallowed. After I began to educate myself, with the help of some great organizations, I saw the barbaric horror, and I couldn’t unseen it. That meat became a sentient being, a creature with a will to live, a desire to raise its young, a being with the capacity for great suffering. I became aware that that unit of production was the victim of a heartless, greedy commercial industry.
Animals have hearts that pump life sustaining blood, brains, tongues, and teeth, livers that cleans toxins from their bodies, kidneys and intestines that eliminate waste, stomachs to process their food, they have five senses: sight, smell, hearing, taste, and feeling, they have great capacity to suffer,and they have the capacity to feel joy and sadness, they procreate, and they care for their young. This issue is not about a “food choice.” It is about the victims who have been turned into a food choice for profit.
The meat-eaters commenting here are no different than mass society, they are self-absorbed, they prefer to feed their taste addictions rather then to care that that creature suffered and paid the ultimate price.
“Man is not the only species on earth, he just acts like it.” He has become the weapon of mass destruction consumed with selfishness and greed.
I hope you don’t eat apples. I was just on an apple farm a few months ago as they were spreading rodenticide. Most fruit farmers do. Which is a more environmentally sound solution: hunting pests or poisoning them? Neither isn’t an option because otherwise we would not be able to produce enough food.
Also, where are we supposed to get fertilizer for our crops? Animals or petroleum? Hmm.
Like most animal rightists, you probably have never been involved in food production, so you probably haven’t thought about these things.
Everyone else, make no mistake- to hardcore animal rightists like D Muller a dog is a pig is a rat is a boy. Cute animals are the low hanging fruit, but really they want to ban all uses of animals including life saving medical research.
If then, you are a man, suicide is always an option…
Liza I just want to apoligize for lowering my self to some of the others on this site. But you do a great job, and I am telling everyone I meet about how good you are. Thanks again for the great videos you have done on me. I have recieved a lot of calls, from new customers.
to d muller we are still waiting to here why like lorenzo asked is it alright for you to kill animals to harvest your crops.
Lorenzo’s comments are such childish dribble, they are not worthy of my time.
But, to you, sire, I say, if you are not mature enough to understand the difference between deliberate killing for profit and the unfortunate unavoidable field tragedies, then, you are not mature enough for intelligent conversation.
I see. So DMuller’s deaths are unfortunate, unavoidable collateral damage. I’m sure that’s comforting to those “living, breathing, sentient beings” he kills with his vegan lifestyle. I assume he’s a vegan because I’m sure he wouldn’t want to confine a dairy cow to a life of involuntary servitude. No leather belts, either I presume?
Animals eat other animals. Period. Rabbits basically exist to be used as prey for other animals. That’s why they reproduce so prolifically. Any 5-year-old with access to a TV nature show knows this. DMuller of course does not watch television.
BTW, I’m writing this with a bloody piece of steak in my murderous mouth.
Just because you can’t hear a soybean crying doesn’t mean it wants to be eaten. Soybeans have feelings, too. Stop the senseless murder of billions (BILLIONS!) of soybeans a year. Eat grass-fed meat.
Yahp, more profit-driven rabbit killers.
FYI about the soy, most of the forests are cleared for grazing land for livestock, and enough soy is grown to feed livestock to feed (and be left with surplus) all the starving people in the world. Instead of feeding people in need, we are growing soy to feed animals that are bred to be murdered and fed to people who will in turn suffer the health setbacks and more…meanwhile, the environment and biodiversity is also being destroyed, furthering the detrimental tolls of climate change/global warming.
So yes, let’s “Stop the senseless murder of billions (BILLIONS!) of soybeans a year” to make animals fat and then slaughter them, and instead focus on growing food for the people who need it while also being better stewards of the environment.
how about every farmer that gets what we call a sluaghter permit this is to shoot deer at night with a spot light, when they are eating their crops, and do you know most farmers belly shoot them so they can run off the land and die. what a waiste, just for the dam veggie eaters.
I don’t really understand this. Yes, it is a waste and terrible that they shoot deer, but what does that have to do with “veggie eaters”?
“…just for the dam veggie eaters.” Hmm, I guess I can conclude that YOUR diet concists of 100% meat? What a silly thing to say. I suggest you follow your own advise: think!
so mr. muller is this DELIBERATE KILLING FOR PROFIT.
Mr Fazio, for goodness sakes. I saw you in the video. You look old enough to have developed more sense than you exhibit here.
Like most people of opposing views, you have resorted to nonsense, and you are trying to shift the focus away from yourself, in a feeble attempt to justify what you do.
I will not address the fields and deer issue because it is not the topic. We are talking about a for-profit business that willfully kills gentle, defenseless, sentient animals. We are talking about a for-profit business that has created a food choice out of an animal that is not protected by any laws. We are talking about a business that requires a person to engage in the joy of killing for profit: snapping their necks, cutting off their heads, enslaving them in intense confinement so you can create more space for more intense confinement, we are talking about the lack of conscience it takes to be in the rabbit killing business. I’m sure you are familiar with the following methods of killing these gentle creatures:
*Hold the rabbit upside down. Quickly snap the head down and back to break the neck.
*Use the Rabbit Wringer
*Have one person bring the bunny to you. Set it on the floor and put a broomstick just behind
the neck. Step down on the broomstick (one person’s foot on each side) while you pull hard
on both back feet at once.
*Confine the rabbit so it can’t move. Using something heavy like a pipe, stone, or heavy wood hammer, give the rabbit a sharp blow between the ears. Immediately chop off its head with a
knife, and hang the rabbit to bleed.
*Confine the rabbit in a box so it can’t move. Shoot the rabbit between the ears with a pellet gun. Immediately hang it to bleed, or you can cut off the head.
Mr Fazio, as much as you hate it, we are talking about you and what you do. And we are talking about this web site that joyfully promotes this grotesque cruelty as a business for you and as a business for Food curated.
Mr. Muller so i see you no nothing about processing a rabbit, as anyone can see like John Fazio in the new york times dining section. my signiture is a rabbit with the heads on and any cruel way you just said does not have a head on and when you break the neck the head will come off, when skinning, so just to leave you sounding as stupid as you are I will not tell you how I do this you would just make a stupid comment anyway. and for not replying to my questions about killing deer because they eat veggeis is just becuase you don’t no the answer. and also veggies are in my diet and i am also on the sluaghter permits for the local farmers becuase i am one of the best night shooters around, i never miss that deer, the difference is that when i shoot a deer i bring it to a family that is in need so they can feed the family. I am thanked by so many local families for doing this. also don’t hit the rabbit you will bruse that wounderful tasting meat around the neck. If anyone would like a recipe on how i cook rabbit just ask, we use a lot of veggies in my recipe. we also put the heads in to my 10 year old loves to eat the meat around the head and the tounge is like getting to the heart of a artichoke. MR. MULLER MAY WE ASK WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING.
I too was raised on eating meat. My family used to go to a pig farm in Florida and choose a pig which in turn was shot for the purchase. They would bring this meat home and make kielbasy and the works. I was never a big fan of eating kielbasy when I was a kid and used to pick the meat out. There was a form of sausage called “kaszanka” that we would have for breakfast with eggs. It was after one of these trips by my aunt and mom that I came to know what this sausage consisted of, blood and rice. Let’s just say that I never had it again after making this discovery. Over the years I have stopped eating animals altogether iand n the process losing a lot of weight. It is this experience with my family that comes back to haunt me many times. Hopefully, your children will grow up to view the eating of animals in a different way than you do.Yes, now they are forced to eat what you put on their plates but maybe they will be lucky enough to go beyond that little world you live in once they become adults and are able to make their own decisions!
Hey John We enjoyed the tour of the facility. More farmers should allow consumers to see where their food is coming from and take the care you do. There will always be skeptics as we have seen, . and customers who want duck and rabbit. I had an old Italian friend who lived til 90 and he ate rabbit as part of his regular diet replacing beef. I would like to try a rabbit and duck myself. Keep up the good work.
hi john. Don’t let these guys get you down. You are not running a factory farm. I thought the cages looked a little cramped too. And this is coming from the point of view from someone who raises rabbits for show and also eats them. I also cull some of mine for dog food. I saw this posted on the meat rabbits yahoo group. if you are interested in joining send an email to [email protected]. Its a wonderful group full of knowledgeable people that raise rabbits for show, meat, etc. Anyhow, despite the smaller cages, your facility is otherwise wonderful, your rabbits look great. They don’t looked stressed. I applaud that you don’t wean them early, and you don’t take chances of over stressing them. i bet your rabbits have it much better then those that are weaned at an early age, and the does are bred to the point where they are burnt out. 2.5 years olf for breeding does is a really good production life since a lot don’t end up making it to that age. I also like that you said something to employee for scruffing the rabbit, and to treat her gently. Those rabbits also looked like they were well socialized and were craving for attention. Most would be bouncing off the cages trying to get away when you walked by them like that.
The thing is is a lot of people view rabbits only as pets when they are a mulltipurpose animal. Pets, food, fur, show. They don’t understand that rabbits are also kept as livestock, not household pets. there isa huge difference there. i raise rabbits for show, and do sometimes allow them outside in a pen during the summer months. But thats not saying that everyone has to let their rabbits out like that. Each of have our own way of taking care of them, and one way doesn’t always work for the other.
“And this is coming from the point of view from someone who raises rabbits for show and also eats them.” Imagine that, one heartless rabbit killer consoling another. Hmm, who would have thought.
“You are not running a factory farm. I thought the cages looked a little cramped too.” Description of factory farming: 1. cramming the most into the least amount of space to effect the greatest amount of profit. 2. Intense confinement and other cruel standards. But, then, janelle, who could expect YOU to see the truth?
” I also cull some of mine for dog food.” Unbelievable! Did I mention heartless already?
“…and the does are bred to the point where they are burnt out. 2.5 years olf for breeding does is a really good production life since a lot don’t end up making it to that age.” They also breed the life out of dairy cows because they too are treated as a unit of production. Did I mention heartless already?
“I also like that you said something to employee for scruffing the rabbit, and to treat her gently.” Did you notice they were on camera? Did you notice the employee did not change his method? It appeared to me, the employee did what he always does the way he always does it. Perhaps, janelle, you should view the video again.
“Most would be bouncing off the cages trying to get away when you walked by them like that.” I viewed the video again. For the life me, I cannot fathom where those rabbits would be jumping to in such intense confinement. Did you miss the part where Mr. Fazio mentions he has two thousand rabbits in the space you see?
“The thing is is a lot of people view rabbits only as pets…” Thank God for those compassionate people! “…when they are a mulltipurpose animal.” They are not multipurpose. It is the human weapons of mass destruction who have relegated animals to be units of production in their profit-driven greed ventures.
“They don’t understand that rabbits are also kept as livestock,” And who created that?
“… and do sometimes allow them outside in a pen during the summer months. But thats not saying that everyone has to let their rabbits out like that.” Breeding for profit by intense confinement certainty does not allow for a rabbit to have a rabbit’s life. To Mr. Fazio, and others like him, these are not rabbits, they are profit.
Someone once said, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” Hmm, I wonder who’s guilty?
What man has done to the earth and its none-human species is conscienceless. “Man isn’t the only species on earth, he just acts like it.”
“Take away the bacteria and insects and in 50 years the Earth dies; take away the humans and in 50 years the Earth flourishes.”
D muller do yourself a favor and go do some research. http://www.arba.net. There you go. My bunnies happen to be very tasty, and my dog enjoys them too. I would rather eat that then the commercially farmed pigs that drugged up with baytril every day. Lol most rabbits are not bred for profit. so do your research. Mr fazio is doing the community a great service by providing I customers with a good clean meat that isn’t drugged up with steriods and antibiotics. BTW I am not going vegan any time soon.
“There you go. My bunnies happen to be very tasty,”
What a barbaric, selfish thing to do.
“and my dog enjoys them too.”
I cook vegan food for all twelve of my animals. I wouldn’t think of loving some animals while supporting their nutrition through the death’s of others.
“Lol most rabbits are not bred for profit. so do your research.”
And when did I make that statement?
How we make so much sence when we talk TAKE AWAY THE HUMANS AND THE EARTH FLOURISHES. so now tell us how you would no that if their are no humans to tell us, lets all lite up a joint and think the way people under the influance of drugs think.
BTW if you aren’t vegan, I hope you don’t eat chicken or beef. Because if you do you are being a hypocrit. Chickens and cows are cute too, but nobody seems to care if they get eaten. But if its the cyuute and fluffy oh god noes!
“Chickens and cows are cute too, but nobody seems to care if they get eaten.”
I care!
BTW Liza, great video. If you are interested in doing more on the rabbit industry contact the the ARBA through the link I provided above. Rabbit shows are also worth looking into too, and some even have meat rabbit buyers at them. The ARBA hosts thousands of shows every year, and they are the backbone of the rabbit industry (pets, meat, show). They do have rabbit shows up your way, and it would be a great experience if you are looking to get another point of view on raising rabbits.
Janelle, hi…it’s Liza. Thanks so much for your link here. I am interested in the continued education on rabbits, and food in general, and will look into filming one day at a rabbit show, do these typically happen year round?
For the D mullers out there, I hope people will outright dismiss their fanatical views. People like that lie all the time, take things out of context, and do not understand the issues they complain about. “Factory farm” is a propaganda term used to demonize all farmers much like “puppymill” is used to demonize all dog breeders. I read information from the Farm Bureau that the majority of farms are family owned, yet AR activists tell us most are “factory farms”. They hope people will turn against farmers if they can make the sheeple believe in their lies.
I don’t know why people choose to believe anything out of AR groups, after all they are 100% opposed to all animal use. What do they even know or understand about raising animals?
Farming is a tough life, you don’t make alot of money and you’re at the mercy of mother nature. The problem in our society is too few have any idea what it takes to produce the food we require to survive. It’s easy to demonize a farmer, to call them “for profit”, but is that really evil? Hey Muller do you work? The money you make, where is it spent? Do you give it all to charity? I doubt it. So before people attack someone for making a living with an animal think about why you work for a living.
The new trend is to call for small family farms with a handful of animals and nothing larger. Fine, so how do all you do gooders think they will be able to provide the food the rest of us non-farmers need? They may only be able to feed themselves and we live in an anti-agricultural society with laws so you aren’t going to be able to start your own farm to feed yourself on that residential property.
As far as rabbit care specifically, yeah they are kept in cages, not let outdoors, or left in sunlight. That applies to ALL rabbits, commercial meat, pet, 4-H, or show breeder. There are valid reasons that rabbits are cared for the way they are. Let them live outdoors like wild rabbits they get parasites or could be killed by predators. Leave them in sunlight they may overheat and die. Fresh air brought in by some form of ventilation is the norm and is not inhumane. The rabbits have been domesticated for thousands of years to thrive in a caged environment. They have always been used for a food source. You have them as pets fine, just be respectful that they are both food and fancy.
As far as humane slaughter the methods used are humane. They may not sound pretty but they have been proven to produce the quickest most pain free way to end the animals life. Again if this were 50 yrs ago many more on here would understand it because you’d be out raising and butchering your own food. Today with so few raising animals people don’t get it, food just arrives in a bag. Animal rights radicals thrive on the ignorance in our society towards farming.
I’ve seen video and photos of rabbit “rescue” with their “free range” rabbits. For one they are not let outside either. But their homes sure look pretty with rabbit poop all over the floor and urine, and plastic sheets covering walls so the rabbits can’t get to the wall to chew. Or the fights that break out because the rabbits are no separated, great stuff.
People need to understand the factors that go into raising animals before attacking it. Things like debeaking chickens is so they don’t attack and hurt one another. Pig gestation crates are used because of problems with mother pigs rolling over onto their young. There was something out not long ago ago free range chickens I think, wasn’t as wonderful as activists claim. And of course just how much are consumers willing to pay for food if we mandate only tiny farms with acres of pasture for the animals. Oh please note farmers have to pay property taxes to so the more acreage they own the higher their taxes.
I grew up next to a diary farm, small family owned and operated so I know a little bit about just how hard farming is. Several yrs ago they finally went under, now all that beautiful land is a housing development and we have one less source of dairy product. Currently we purchase milk from a family farm, they deliver it so I have often spoken with the owner about the pitfalls of farming. I raise show rabbits so I know alot about rabbits. I can tell you the worst abuse out there is the Mullers of the world running around attacking people and spewing they hate filled propaganda. We need to be more concerned about them.
“As far as rabbit care specifically, yeah they are kept in cages, not let outdoors, or left in sunlight. That applies to ALL rabbits, commercial meat, pet, 4-H, or show breeder.”
I have to disagree. Free rabbits do not cage themselves up. And both my friends who have rabbits and I do not either, and they are very healthy and happy.
“As far as humane slaughter the methods used are humane.”
How is slaughter humane, ever? that’s a complete oxymoron. There is no such thing as a so-called “humane” method for murdering
“People need to understand the factors that go into raising animals before attacking it. Things like debeaking chickens is so they don‚Äö√Ñ√¥t attack and hurt one another. Pig gestation crates are used because of problems with mother pigs rolling over onto their young.”
If this wasn’t so disturbing, I would be laughing my head off right now. With such unnecessary pain afflicted on these chickens and pigs, it’s amazing that they aren’t driven to attacking one another out of insanity…although that probably does happen. As for pigs rolling onto their young…I’m not even going to bother commenting. And since you say this job is so tough anyways, I highly recommend you find an alternative to ‘raising’ animals to be murdered or exploiting them for dairy products. There are alternatives^^ Like the “Mad Cowboy” http://www.madcowboy.com/ <– There are many others like him
Anyways, Heaven bless you and have a great day all
PS: To answer your questions about us "D mullers out there" being "hypocrites" I am a vegan and I do donate to charity, and I believe that is part of our inherent responsibilities as human beings
i think d muller is very mislead. perhaps you should go work on a farm for a couple of months so you can get a better understanding of how one works and why cute bunnies end up as dinner. I also hope you realize the veggies you eat were also grown by some farmers that keeps and eats their livestock. The vegan lifestyle does not save animals. shoving your views down our throats isn’t going to do you much good either. We are still going to eat meat, and eat our culled rabbits. This conversation is actually making me hungry for one of them.
“perhaps you should go work on a farm for a couple of months so you can get a better understanding of how one works and why cute bunnies end up as dinner.”
I already know the answer to why rabbits “end up as dinner.” And I would never take a job that violates my moral and ethical standards.
“shoving your views down our throats isn‚Äö√Ñ√¥t going to do you much good either.”
janelle, I’m a bit confused. Didn’t you come to this site on your own? Didn’t you read these comments because you chose to? I’ve reread my comments, and I didn’t find that I forced my thoughts down your throat. This is a common ploy used by some to defend their position; it really is meaningless.
“We are still going to eat meat, and eat our culled rabbits”
I didn’t doubt this for a minute.
Mr. Fazio,
One comment,
Karma is a bitch…make of it what you will!
What a sad world we live in.
D. Muller and Lite,
It does not pay to argue with ignorance and the pursuit of the almight dollar. You will never win.
Vegan and proud…especially after viewing this video.
Janelle,
Everybody has the right to make a comment here even though it may not agree with yours. So let them.
It’s called common courtesy. Just as you are going to eat meat and preach how good it is to do so, others are entitled to give the facts about the inhamanity of doing so, nevermind the health factor. Animals feel pain just like you and I. Have some compassion lady.
I think all the ones who think this is cruel should protest in front of my barn and get a news chanel to folow them. when ever something like this goes on tv or news papers I pick up a good 15 to 20 more customers. Keep up the good work vegge eaters.
Hi john don’t give them any ideas. You don’t need them finding out where you live, or trying to do anything to you or your rabbits or barn. Just let it go. There will always be Idiots out there that can’t grasp the concept of livestock. I wish you were in my area. I’d buy rabbits from you in a heartbeat. Or maybe look into having you process some for me. I have a lady that does do it for me. Her only fee is that she keeps every fourth one for her family. Its a good working relationship and she does a really good job at processing them.
Liza go to http://www.arba.net. Click on the shows link. There are rabbit shows in every state all year round. I am in Michigan and we have them year round with two state convention shows. One in the spring, one in the fall. i am sure there are plenty of rabbit shows up your way. Just go to the link and look up your state. And then pick a show date. Most are held at the county fair grounds, or exibition buildings within the city where it is being held. You can even email the show secretaries in charge, and let them know you’d like to film there. if you do a good job like you did with Johns barn, there shouldn’t be a problem. There are a few hundred to a couple of thousand rabbits entered per show. 47 different breeds shown, plus whatever rabbits are offered for sale on the show floor. They have raffles that benefit the clubs hosting them. a lot of times breeders will donate show quality rabbits to them to help them out a bit.
The ARBA also hosts a national convention every year. up to 20,000 rabbits and cavies are shown at this show. the location varies from one year to the next, because certain state clubs have to put in a bid for it. But if you can get a chance to attend that one, its worth it. Its one of the largest animal shows in the country, and certianly the largest rabbit show in the county. You can email the arba off their website. they can give you all the information you need about a show like that. The ARBA is the backbone of the rabbit industry. They have funded research in the past and do all kinds of stuff that benefits rabbits and their owners. Most of the stuff that you read about pertaining to rabbits kept as pets and livestock comes from the club and its members (not house rabbit society). Their information on keeping them is up to date and accurate.
janelle,
How dare you call anybody who has a different opinion than you an idiot? Last time I checked, you and people like John have a right to slaugther animals and I have the right to state my view. It’s as simple as that. I will not stoop so low as you as to start with name calling because believe me I would have an arsenal. Have some decorum. And as for protesting in front of your barn John, please don’t give me any ideas as I have a place to crash in Pine Bush in Ulster county which is probably near where your “slaughter house” is located. Sure, you may seem some profits from the exposure but there will may also be some dissidence and bad publicity. One suggestion, you shouldn’t have put a video on the internet if you don’t want to hear a difference of opinion. Also, please try not to base your life on money and riches as those things fade and you are only left with your conscience in the end. I hope yours will be clear John!
Also, many that show also used their culled rabbits to feed their families too. So not only woulld be supporting showing, but also food for the table. This esp applies to those that raise the medium sized, and large meat breeds. Most show breeders are farmers that keep them as livestock.
and, some even serve up rabbit dishes, like home made rabbit and noodles. Or rabbit BBQ sandwhiches. Yum! It all depends on the show though. not sure about the new york ones, but some of the ones i attend in Indiiana do.
Hi,
Thanks for sharing the video. It’s educational. I never had idea on raising rabbits commercially until I saw this video. It got me interested in it…now I have another list of things to research… thanks!
You eat vegetables grown by farmers who also eat livestock. Sorry, but you are not saving the world there.
“Just as you are going to eat meat and preach how good it is to do so, others are entitled to give the facts about”
But the problem is you people aren’t giving facts you’re posting lies. Example, “lite” posts “I highly recommend you find an alternative to ‚Äö√Ñ√≤raising‚Äö√Ñ√¥ animals to be murdered or exploiting them for dairy products.” If the idiot actually read my post it would know I am not a dairy farmer I just grew up living next to one. Then you have the other ARA throwing the term “murder” around. If you people weren’t so serious about your radical beliefs it would be comical.
ARAs are just as fanatical as the Islamic terrorists. It’s their way period, no respect for the way others live. You want to live without using animal products fine, but you have no right to lie and try to force everyone to live your way.
“am a vegan and I do donate to charity,”
Well lite I mean you donate every cent to charity because you sit here attacking a farmer for trying to make a living so obviously you must live like a monk and any money made goes to charity.
Corinne,
Is idiot the only term you people know how to use? May I suggest ignoramus or is that term too advanced for you? You can say you don’t agree with someone but at least give them the opportunity to speak. This is a forum for free speech. If you don’t want to hear a difference of opinion than don’t advertise on the internet. You eat meat and you support an industry that does. I don’t eat meat and I will support an industry that does. I can state my views and so can you. But please don’t call anyone an idiot!!
Correction…I don’t eat and I will not support an industry that does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok… this is getting funny now as I meant to say I don’t eat meat! That is how upset you got me with that stupid idiot comment. Please let’s try to discuss this as adults.
I’ve been following this post for a while now but I have trouble understanding the justification people have for deliberately harming to eat another living, breathing species. Is it because we regard them as lesser beings and completely disregard that they feel pain, that they have a yearn to live much like humans, that they love and care for their kin just as we do? I would like an intelligent explanation for this…not name calling which one has resorted to.
Marisa wrote: “How dare you call anybody who has a different opinion than you an idiot?”
Marisa, you’re a jewel! I would love to have you for my neighbor.
This is the way I view this name calling: If “idiot” means that I am guilty of being a compassionate consumer, I wear the title proudly. Also, the use of such adjectives only reflects on the author. Likewise, those who find such terms amusing and appropriate are usually lacking in maturity.
Since such terms have no credible relevance, they don’t phase me.
“We can’t change the heart, so we must stop the heartless.” Martin Luther King
Please support laws to protect animals from the heartless.
“If ‚Äö√Ñ√∫idiot‚Äö√Ñ√π means that I am guilty of being a compassionate consumer, I wear the title proudly.”
So typical of ARAs, it isn’t about you not eating meat it’s about attacking others and getting the facts WRONG. But by all means try to muddy the waters with more inaccurate statements. And you think you’re so compassionate but how many insects, birds, & other animals or shall we just lump them all together as fellow sentient beings living in the fields growing veggies are YOU responsible for killing in order to eat your vegan diet. That’s another angle to all this, you people think you’re oh so wonderful yet your vegan diet still contributes to animals losing their lives or habitats. Perhaps if you were really compassionate you’d just cease eating so no sentient beings would be harmed, now that would be a compassionate choice.
Marysia which is it you support farming or you don’t, you can’t seem to get it right can you. I called you an idiot because you failed to read and comprehend my post and stated I should “find a new job other than raising dairy cows” yet I said I lived next to one not that I ran one. You see stuff like that just shows how your people ignore the facts. ARAs show no respect towards views other than their own as evidenced by using terms like murder, or going on about how awful rabbit farming is when you have no clue why things are done, and getting the facts wrong.
Ittt it’s about the circle of life. Also animals are not like us, you’re giving them human feelings and emotions, they don’t love and care for their “kin” just like humans. Maybe that’s the answer you’re looking for, you may view them as humans in fur coats those that eat them recognize they aren’t little humans in fur coats. I believe in humane animal use but I also don’t think those opposed to animal use make good judges as to what the standards are.
LOL Corrine! I agree. When they eat vegetables, they are still supporting animal slaughter in one way or another.
Animals aren’t furry little humans. They don’t care about who eats their kin. they are animals and should be treated as such. My rabbits could give a crap less if the bunny in the cage next to them is sold or eaten. They don’t even care if you put one down in front of them. All they care about is food, attention, and breeding. And yes some of them can ‘love you back’ if they want to. That’s about as far as it goes. You learn to draw the line between pets and livestock. And guess what? Many of us that eat our culls also keep a few favorites as pets too.
If you guys were so compassionate then you would leave this poor guy alone and let him do what he wants with his rabbits. They aren’t abused, so get over it.
Do you have cats or dogs? If you do then you are also supporting animal slaughter because you are feeding a carnivore.
Rabbits are delicious, HEALTHY meat. They are efficient producers of high quality protein.
Every animal that has ever been eaten has been cute at some point in its life, or has been kept as a pet. If you choose not to eat rabbit (chicken, pork, lamb, etc), that is YOUR choice. it is not your RIGHT to force your choices on others.
As far as happy rabbits frolicking in the fields, if the worms and coccidia don’t get them the hawks, coyotes, and stray dogs will have an easy meal – sometimes beginning to eating the rabbit while it is still alive.
Whee! What a discussion–only as usual, it’s descending to name- and cat-calling.
1. If you don’t eat meat, fine. If you eat meat, also fine. There’s your corner, and your corner, and stay there unless you can discuss without squabbling so darn much!
2. “How is slaughter humane?” By making it an absolute to minimize or eliminate all avoidable fear, pain, or stress at the time of slaughter. Instantaneous unconsciousness or instantaneous death is what is strived for, and while many anti-meat organizations would have you believe that rabbits are stil alive and aware when hung, this is NOT the case in any ethical slaughter area. The movement that is seen after the stun/kill method has been applied is purely reflex and does not indicate consciousness or pain or even continued life.
Nothing is perfect, and slaughter is no exception. But an ethical butcher will strive for perfection, every time, and will suffer along with the animal when something goes wrong.
3. A return question for DMuller: You’re in favor of animals fulfilling their natures, right? So I do hope that all twelve of your animals are herbivores….otherwise you are not allowing them to fulfill their natural behaviors and requirements.
4. In order to produce rabbits which are clean and healthy, without use of antibiotics, they must be raised off the ground in cages. I’ve heard of colony-raisers who claim that they can raise rabbits on the ground to the same quality and health standards, but I have yet to see proof of research done on it which indicates an equality of health and welfare.
5. I do not know of a single person who raises rabbits and slaughters them ‘with joy’. One of the most common questions meatrabbit raisers get is, How can you deal with that?
Many of us deal with it by addressing the animal and apologizing for what we are about to do. We often have to euthanize animals to which we have become to some degree attached, and that is one of the very hardest things to do, no matter the reason.
There is a distancing that meat raisers of all kinds must attain in order to survive the mental stress of slaughtering. Some people never manage it, and instead, sell their rabbits on to a processor, who has workers capable of skilled slaughter.
There is NEVER any ‘easy’ in killing, nor should there be, emotionally speaking. If you enjoy killing things, you need a psychiatrist, posthaste. On the other hand, the normal human reaction to stress of this kind is to use black humor to help oneself deal with it–similar to why we giggle when anxious, an instinctive reaction.
6. DMuller said: “We are talking about a business that requires a person to engage in the joy of killing for profit: snapping their necks, cutting off their heads, enslaving them in intense confinement so you can create more space for more intense confinement, we are talking about the lack of conscience it takes to be in the rabbit killing business.”
Why is raising animals for profit de facto cruelty? There is nothing wrong with doing so, provided that the animals are decently and humanely treated. If you can pull it off, more credit to you. If you compromise animal health or welfare in your pursuit of profit, you need to rethink your methods.
As for lack of conscience…think again. No animal owner can afford to be without conscience, for without conscience, the animals deteriorate, do not produce well, or die. Every animal owner and user should go to bed with their brain busy reviewing their methods and be resolved to find better ways the next morning. And most do.
7. EmilyMartin said: “That the animals are kept out of their own waste is again to maximize profit, not out of any regard for the animals.”
Um, I beg to differ here. Without regard for the animals, there can be no profit, and that’s never more true than in raising rabbits for food. If you don’t keep rabbits content, healthy and clean, production drops–so the pursuit of profit necessitates very close observation and a lot of maintenance labor to ensure that the animals are in good condition and produce well. The hardest thing for many in raising rabbits for food is being able to distance oneself enough that logical herd management and selection can be done, rather than doing so based on emotion.
There is not a single barn I know of which does not contain at least one ‘special’ animal–one that the owner is attached to, or has retired honorably, or is ‘just special’. How does that happen without regard for the animals?
8. There is nothing wrong with choosing to eat rabbit, or choosing to have rabbits as pets, or for that matter, doing both at the same time. (It’s possible–I have both a houserabbit and a barn full, for instance.) There’s nothing wrong with choosing not to eat meat, or choosing to make it the main staple of your existence.
What everyone really needs to realize is that there are an awful lot of choices out there, and that we each need to respect and honor the choices of others. If you disagree, dandy–but it is possible to disagree without being disagreeable–and that is something we should all strive for.
“1. If you don’t eat meat, fine. If you eat meat, also fine. There’s your corner, and your corner, and stay there unless you can discuss without squabbling so darn much!”
I can see, onafixedincome, you are a person of character, and obviously you have attained some maturity.
“2. “How is slaughter humane?” By making it an absolute to minimize or eliminate all avoidable fear, pain, or stress at the time of slaughter. ”
While there is need for humane euthanasia across all species, the term slaughter adds a whole different slant. I will not/can not capitulate to the notion that slaughter and humane can both be used in the same context: slaughter is the killing of those who are defenseless or helpless to resist for purposes other than relieving them of misery.
When this deed is carried out for the purpose of profit, it cannot be justified away by self-consoling mantra.
In your case, you do have a compassionate side. Unfortunately, when it comes to your rabbit business, it not your compassionate side that is in control, it is your profit-driven greed character (sorry, I am at a loss for a better description).
“3. A return question for DMuller: You’re in favor of animals fulfilling their natures, right? So I do hope that all twelve of your animals are herbivores….”
Humans aren’t the only species who can have excellent health on vegan diets. Dogs are omnivores, and they can have exceptional health on vegan diets as can raccoons, opossums, many kinds of birds and others.
“4. In order to produce rabbits which are clean and healthy, without use of antibiotics, they must be raised off the ground in cages.”
Yes, I can understand the management problems, not to mention the space needs, of farming high volumes of rabbits. But your rational does not mitigate the fact of intense confinement for greater profit. It is your excuse.
” 5. I do not know of a single person who raises rabbits and slaughters them ‘with joy’. One of the most common questions meatrabbit raisers get is, How can you deal with that?
Many of us deal with it by addressing the animal and apologizing for what we are about to do.”
“Some people never manage it, and instead, sell their rabbits on to a processor, who has workers capable of skilled slaughter.”
Goes to show the extant some go to to continue in the business for profit.
“6. Why is raising animals for profit de facto cruelty? There is nothing wrong with doing so, provided that the animals are decently and humanely treated. If you can pull it off, more credit to you. If you compromise animal health or welfare in your pursuit of profit, you need to rethink your methods.”
What about just simple respect for life, no matter the species. Obviously we will not agree on what defines “decently and humanely treated.” You consol your spirit by convincing yourself that what you do is right.
“7. EmilyMartin said: “That the animals are kept out of their own waste is again to maximize profit, not out of any regard for the animals.”
Um, I beg to differ here. Without regard for the animals, there can be no profit, and that’s never more true than in raising rabbits for food.”
So there it is, the bottom line.
“There is not a single barn I know of which does not contain at least one ‘special’ animal–one that the owner is attached to, or has retired honorably, or is ‘just special’. How does that happen without regard for the animals?”
I can honestly say, I have never been involved with an animal that I didn’t consider special. Therefore, I find they all are deserving of respect, and they all have the right to life. I could never single out one to love and slaughter the rest. I would never be involved in conditions that violate my moral and ethical standards.
I realize this discussion is not about me. But it is about conscienceless acceptance.
“8. What everyone really needs to realize is that there are an awful lot of choices out there, and that we each need to respect and honor the choices of others.”
When one stands for everything, he stands for nothing.
You guys are the ones are the ones shoving your vegan ways down everyones eles throat. . Give it up. You are not going to convert us. The more you do it, the more it makes me want to go eat more meat. Yes I agree you guys are a bunch of Idiots. Actually more like raving lunatics.
Also dmuller, you need to get a clue. Many of us do not sell the rabbit after it has been butchered. many use them for their own purposes to feed their families because they want a clean meat they raised themselves that is free from antibiotics. It is not profit. Also there is nothing wrong with selling live animals to be slaughtered and believe you me there is no profit behind that when the money you get back from them barely covers feed expenses. So before you continue to go on and on about people only slaughter rabbits for profit you need to do some research. There is a whole lot more in it then just ‘making money.’ Personally i am glad that john has found a way to make money off of providing healthy rabbits to the public. Everyone else is lucky enough to break even. So again, do your research before you go spouting off a bunch more misinformation. All of us are passionate about our rabbits. We just don’t see them in the same way you do, and know where to draw the line between pets and livestock.
The problem is the ARAs have a great need to view themselves as better than everyone else. The fact is they are no better than anyone else.
I love it, forcing a dog to be vegan. This is what I see as the fanatical fantasy world ARAs live in. I have never met a dog that did not love eating meat, it’s their nature. Yet the ARAs are so mentally delusional they think they can make their dogs “vegan”. I wonder if they even give their dogs a choice, perhaps there is a need to investigate animal cruelty here, I’m betting their dogs would be grateful to be removed and placed in a loving home that provides them with some tasty meaty dinners. But being owned by an ARA I’m sure the poor dog get s no choice in the matter. Now THAT is really sad!
Corinne, thats great it shows what a Idiot he is why not put 2 dishes of food down one with meat and one without and see what the dogs goes for. and you are right that is cruel to fource feed a dog and the only way to do this is by letting the dog at first get so hungry and locking it your house and then puting in front of him what you want him to eat. I think anyone who can do this should be locked up for life and only put meat in front of them to eat.
They are probably feeding the poor thing vegetarian dog food. They are carnivores and they need meat in their diet to stay healthy. Its wonderful when people like that force their beliefs onto their pets…
To John, janelle, & corrine:
You are not my favorite people, nonetheless, I will defend you.
When a friend of mine commented about how ignorant you act, I defended you. I told him that it is no act!
There is no real crime in being ignorant, it just defies my imagination why some want to flaunt it–I guess it goes with the territory.
TO D Muller I guess thats all you can think of when we now make good points and you can not come up with a answer that makes any sence I guess we all showed that you way of thinking is just BS. Bring it on with more stupity we all stoped you in your tracks what happened can’t figure out what to say. so go ahead and feed your dog carrots. BY THE WAY LET US NO HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU NO THAT LET THIER DOGS OUT AND THEY RUN TO THE GARDEN AND EAT THEIR VEGGEIS. and then i will tell you how many run to the chickens.
John, if it makes you feel better, I will be thawing a nice juicey home grown rabbit for mine this weekend. Beats feeding her food that could be full of chemicals.Thats something you might want to look into when you sell yours. The pet food industry. A lot of people prefer raw feeding animals like that to their cats and dogs instead of feeding them kibble. Mine also gets canned rabbit dog food now and then.
Hi, that was definitely an interesting post. I had actually been searching for a photo printing related blog for a while now. Great! I have a similar blog, how much do you charge for advertising? because I can’t seem to find the details anywhere.
Mullr “how ignorant you act,” we don’t care what you think because as a fanatic your opinion and those of your friends don’t matter. It’s sad that you have nothing better to do than show up on this board to attack people who don’t have the same messed up fanatical view of the world. You really need to go crawl back under your rock and shut up. Oh here is some info on those vegan dog diets., I mean really the SPCA needs to investigate you and probably seize your poor dog.
The Problems of Feeding a Natural Vegetarian Diet – A Survey
The protein intake was inadequate for over half of the dogs. Nutritional
errors typical of all homemade diets also occurred in the vegetarian diets.
The calcium requirements were not met in 62% of the dogs’ diets,
likewise for phosphorus, which was below standard for roughly half of
the dogs. This resulted in an unbalanced Ca/P ratio.
In addition, 73% of the dogs had an insufficient intake of sodium. In
many cases, the supply of trace elements was inadequate. A high number
of the plasma samples also showed insufficient amounts of iron, copper,
zinc and iodine. Of the vitamin contents calculated, vitamin D was most
often below recommendations.
Here also, a reduced plasma content of 25-OH-vitamin D was common.
Fifty-six percent of the dogs showed a vitamin B12 intake below
recommendations.
Source: E. Kienzle and R. Engelhard. A field study on the nutrition of
vegetarian dogs and cats in Europe. From Proceedings of Sixth Workshop
in Pet Food Labeling and Regulations. p. 139.
How do you know an ARA is lying?
Answer: Their lips are moving
How many vegans does it take to change a lightbulb?
None, vegans can’t change anything.
Corrine ‚Äö√Ñ√∫how ignorant you act,‚Äö√Ñ√π we don‚Äö√Ñ√¥t care what you think because as a fanatic your opinion and those of your friends don‚Äö√Ñ√¥t matter. It‚Äö√Ñ√¥s sad that you have nothing better to do than show up on this board to attack people who don‚Äö√Ñ√¥t have the same messed up fanatical view of the world, flaunt your ignorance, show a serious lack of control, have temper tantrums on a public site and display your lack of morals and ethics. You really need to go crawl back under your rock and shut up–maybe some rabbits will escape their execution. Oh here is some info you probably need:
Mental Health Services Locator
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How do you know a rabbit killer abuser is lying?
Answer: Their lips are moving
How many rabbit killers does it take to change a lightbulb?
A lot. They can’t stop killing long enough to get the job done.
“Corrine ‚Äö√Ñ√∫how ignorant you act,‚Äö√Ñ√π we don‚Äö√Ñ√¥t care what you think because as a fanatic your opinion and those of your friends don‚Äö√Ñ√¥t matter. It‚Äö√Ñ√¥s sad that you have nothing better to do than show up on this board to attack people who don‚Äö√Ñ√¥t have the same messed up fanatical view of the world, flaunt your ignorance, show a serious lack of control, have temper tantrums on a public site and display your lack of morals and ethics. You really need to go crawl back under your rock and shut up‚Äö√Ñ√¨maybe some rabbits will escape their execution. Oh here is some info you probably nee”
And in the real world people eat meat. Get over it.
You know, it’s funny. Both sides are getting it wrong. A dog can be healthy on a carefully balanced vegetarian diet (according to the humane society).
Cats can’t..and guess what? Neither can humans! We need nutrients found ONLY in meat to live and rabbit is an excellent source. Your right, we shouldn’t slaughter them. We should free them from living and put them on a plate.
Rabbits do have feelings. Very strong feelings. Close to the same range of feeling as ours and, it’s for that reason, I hate to kill them. But I love to eat them!
I am attached to all of my breeding rabbits. They’re not pets, but they get very humane treatment.
Rabbits are overpopulated, according to the humane society… let’s eat them!
This is MY two cents…eat more rabbit!
P.S. I didn’t name-call. I got my point across without. I’d appreciate everyone else doing the same, please! I don’t think vegans are idiots, just misinformed.
Some may be healthy on it, but I wouldn’t do that to mine. Carnivores need meat.
yes there are a lot of rabbits in humane societies. many are wastefully killed when they could be put to good use. And sometimes they are inhumanely killed at those places.
Oh, I forgot, there are no rabbit killer abusers here, that I can see. Just people who raise rabbit for meat humanely and butcher them humanely. I have never abused a rabbit. In fact, since they’re passed out when they’re killed, they don’t even feel THAT. It’s like a patient under anesthesia. You just don’t know what’s happening.
Muller you’re oh so original. Did ya stay up all night figuring out how to take what I said and change it around a little?
Hey you know you never did respond with a justification for the animal lives and habitats your vegan diet destroys. You ARAs think you’re so wonderful and “compassionate” but in reality you aren’t. I see you have done some research to find mental health help by all means take advantage of some professional help you really need it.
How much money do ARAs contribute to help people?
None because they hate humans
“…you‚Äö√Ñ√¥re oh so original.”
I can see the message went right over your head. But, then, I suspected it would.
“Did ya stay up all night figuring out how to take what I said and change it around a little?”
I hate like heck to disappoint you. Fortunately, a response to you is not much of a challenge. Your comment posted at 7:04 pm, and my rebuttal posted at 7:32 pm on the same day–I trust you have some math skills (?).
we should all just say lets eat rabbit and we will get DICK MULLER to say it too, being he only repeats what others say, now we know why he was saying in the begining what he said he must have read it on another site, notice how he can not answer any ?’s anyone askes him. He sounds like someone else we all know if he can’t read it off a teleprompter then he can’t say anything.
I’m not saying it’s right or humane to feed dogs nothing but veggies. I don’t believe it is. Nor is it natural for people not to eat meat! We’re omnivores. The moment we stop eating meat, we go down hill, health wise. Yes, Humane societies are wasteful. They keep rescuing perfectly good meat rabbits and giving them to vegans! LOL!
EAT MORE RABBIT! Otherwise, you’re contributing to their overpopulation.
P.S. Does anyone have any meat rabbits they’d be willing to part with? I have two litters on the way, but this conversation is making me hungry!
Sorry i just sent the last of mine to some meat rabbit buyer in in indiana saturday. Won’t have any more for a couple of months. I heard they may end up going up to newyork. Even the meat rabbit buyers halfway across the country are sending them up that way. There seems to be a good demand for them there.
i am all for rescuing and finding good homes for those bunnies, provided they were actually rescued and not wrongfully stolen from someone. But some of those rabbits would not make very good pets. Its too bad they drug them up with all kinds of medications, and either kill them, or let them sit there. There is one up my way that has over 200 rabbits caged up in a warehouse. Its clean but dang that is a waste and a lot of pet rabbits.
They also charge around $100 for them. Its to offset the spay and nuter fees, but nobody is going to want to pay that much for a pet rabbit unless its show or breeding quality.
Hey Dmuller you still have not addressed the lives of fellow sentient beings you kill and displace with your vegan diet. I suppose your attacks on people who do eat meat is meant to relieve yourself of the guilt you have for killing animals to produce your vegan diet. Why won’t you answer for YOUR crimes?! Typical ARA behavior, change the topic, slander/libel, and avoid the tough questions.
Corinne,
In response to the first part of your comment to me on 3/16/10 at 6:08pm, “Marysia which is it you support farming or you don‚Äö√Ñ√¥t, you can‚Äö√Ñ√¥t seem to get it right can you.”
It’s called a typo! So deal with it. I DO NOT SUPPORT FARMING!!”
In response to the latter part of your comment, “I called you an idiot because you failed to read and comprehend my post and stated I should ‚Äö√Ñ√∫find a new job other than raising dairy cows‚Äö√Ñ√π yet I said I lived next to one not that I ran one. You see stuff like that just shows how your people ignore the facts.”
You are responding to the wrong person as I did not make this comment. I merely asked that you refrain form calling those with differing opinions idiots.
I think that the best way to get a person’s attention is to make it hurt where it counts, in their pocket. While I appreciate Mr. Fazio’s invitation for people to come and demonstrate at his farm, I think a far better plan would be to demonstrate peacefully at the upscale eateries that purchase his duck and rabbit meat. Because although Mr. Fazio would appreciate such attention at his business I can assure you that the businesses that purchase his “goods” would not.
Bunnybabe,
Since you advocate the slaughter of all rabbits in shelters I believe that that this should also be extended to all dogs and cats. I am sure that those on here who like to feed their dogs rabbit meat would be the first to volunteer their precious family pets. After all, all killing would be done humanely. Why leave out cats and dogs from the process? I for one have two wonderful rabbits as companion animals and take great offense to your comment!!!
D Muller,
I applaud you for your efforts in trying to share your views and doing it in a manner that is not insulting to others. But please keep in mind that those on here would not be defending their actions on a per minute basis if their conscience were at ease. I believe that some may be unemployed on here as they seem to live on this site. It is either this or this so called humane slaughter is much easier and less time consuming than we ever gave it credit!
“I DO NOT SUPPORT FARMING!!‚Äö√Ñ√π”
Yup pretty much says it all. So why should those of us who benefit from farming-either by doing it or eating the products have any respect for those of you who do not support farming? It’s never about animal welfare it’s always about you people attacking farmers and trying to ruin their ability to make a living.
It’s just too sad, you don’t support farming yet where do you think your veggies come from.
ARAs simply aren’t going to win, farming is too important, you want to live you need farmers. The vast majority of people enjoy eating meat. You people come onto public forums and just post personal attacks. There is no better proof of the fanaticism of ARAs than just showing people what they write.
“You are responding to the wrong person as I did not make this comment. I merely asked that you refrain form calling those with differing opinions idiots.”
If it wasn’t you that mixed up what I posted whatever. I didn’t call whichever one of you who did an idiot for your fanatical views rather for lying about what I posted. But I do believe the anti-farming attitude and the lack of understanding why certain husbandry practices are done can put you all in the idiot category.
And still none of the ARAs will address the killing that comes from a “vegan” diet.
Here are some interesting comments from New York Times readers on the article on a recent article on raising and eating rabbits coupled with pictures of rabbits taken at Mr. Fazio‚Äö√Ñ√¥s farm. This article was titled, “Don’t Tell the Kids.” I am including both positive and negative comments here in fairness to all while also informing that the negative comments greatly outweighed the positive.
1. Stacy Southern California March 5th, 2010 10:19 am
I sent a letter to the editor before finding this blog. Being so outraged, I will post some of my comments here as well:
I am an academic librarian in California who recently subscribed to the NY Times. I was absolutely appalled (as was my colleague) by Kim Severson‚Äö√Ñ√¥s article (3/2/10), “Don’t Tell the Kids,” but I am certain you are expecting such comments. If you have not received others, I wonder where the humanity and compassion is amongst the readership. The beginning line, “Rabbits are supposed to be easy to kill” along with the photograph of the white rabbit may have caused the shock value or sick humor hoped for, but I was disgusted. The language throughout discussed killing in a flippant manner. I suppose I have much to look forward to. Perhaps I will find an article about the methods for killing dogs and cats in a future issue. Maybe the photograph could show a German Shepherd. To be honest, however, it was not necessarily the rabbit being used that made it appalling, although some readers may associate rabbits as pets, but simply the way the killing was gleefully presented. For all the knowledge and discovery the paper has provided me, the callousness of this article makes me question my subscription. I assumed, perhaps foolishly, that the paper would report on brutality and insensitivity in the world, but not blatantly promote it or laugh about it.
2. leelers Charlotte, NC March 3rd, 2010 3:53 pm
This more than rubbed me the wrong way–it made me cringe. Rabbits are affectionate and gentle animals and seem far too close to our beloved cats and dogs to be destined for dinner plates across the country. And for me, rabbit falls into the same category as veal, quail and duck, which is to say that people should only indulge in such meats once in a while as a delicacy. Why would one choose to eat so much rabbit meat that they feel it’s necessary to raise them on their property? I find this choice incredibly shortsighted, selfish and cruel.
3. Judy Brown Lawson Silver City NM March 3rd, 2010 9:14 am
Rabbits ARE cute, but so are baby lambs, and little goat kids, and little baby calves, and remember Babe, the cute little pig? What about beautiful deer? Even fish are gorgeous swimming around in the sea, etc. Yes, children should always be taught about where meat comes from, that hamburger starts as a calf or a cow, and that pork chops are part of a pig’s body. For that matter, perhaps adults should think about it more often. If animals must die in order to feed us, let them die with dignity and without fear or pain.
4. Scott San Francisco, CA March 3rd, 2010 8:56 pm
When was the last time the NYT had a picture slideshow of the butchering of cows or pigs? The article talks about how the process should be humane. How does taking detailed pictures of the taking of an animal’s life be humane? For this I called and cancelled my home subscription to the NYT this morning. They say that you are not writing real news unless you are getting hate mail, so I hope for you that this is the case, because you just lost probably one of your last readers in their 20s who actually paid for your newspaper to be delivered each morning.
5. Rhonda New YorkMarch 3rd, 2010 8:59 pm
I am shocked at the first paragraph of this article. Three ways to kill a rabbit?? As your lead dining article?
What were you thinking?
This was a really outrageous article, with no real value to your readers.
It was poor judgment on your part, pandering to the lowest common denominator.
6. Nancy California March 3rd, 2010 3:02 pm
If you eat meat at all, what makes the difference between what kinds of meat are acceptable? I grew up eating rabbit and tongue but never had sweetbreads or tripe. Today I can eat rabbit and tongue but cringe at sweetbreads and tripe.
Isn’t it simply conditioning? I’ve seen animals slaughtered at home farms and heard the farmers talk about wasting nothing … that is a respectful way to honor the life that was given, in my opinion.
7. nj Madison, WI March 4th, 2010 8:49 am
I turn to the dining section as a respite from the mayhem and catastrophe elsewhere in the paper. As I read the oh so fashionable bunny butchering story this a.m., our wonderful pet rabbit was doing her “binkys” around the room, dancing her happiness spring may be finally on its way.
So I guess if the apocalypse hinted at elsewhere in the paper comes to pass, I’ll have a recipe to use ala “The Road” scenario. In the meanwhile, skinning a bunny for dinner is about as appetizing as fricassing up the cat or the dog—after all, other cultures enjoy eating them and it might become quite fashionable in NY restaurants to serve them up.
8. Leeza MA March 5th, 2010 2:17 pm
I agree with you about inconsistency when claiming the ” moral high-ground here,” so are you okay with eating dogs and cats? Just asking….most people seem to feel disgust with cultures that do.
9. gbalasub nyt Nashville March 3rd, 2010 8:53 am
Kill every animal. Then publish NYT editorials about the value of life and why the death penalty should be abolished.
Along the way, write glowing articles about how you ate shark’s fin soup and whale meat. The NY times dining journal is a good example of hypocritical sanctimonious-ness at its worst.
10. nolan raleigh, nc March 3rd, 2010 10:01 am
This is horrifying. Rabbits are not food. Given the chance to thrive, rabbits display their unique personalities, lavish affection, and dance with happiness. I live with a 12-year-old house rabbit named Fred who has brought much joy to my life. I often find myself apologizing to him for what my people have done to his people.
Animals do not have to die in order for humans to eat well, to eat richly.
11. Leeza MA March 3rd, 201010:11 am
Vegetarians, obviously, wouldn’t eat rabbits, but for the rest of you – that is, most of you: how would you feel if I told you I was learning how to kill, prepare and eat a dog? Or a cat? Would that be okay with you? If not, why are rabbits different? They are incredibly wonderful – sweet, affectionate, funny, smart and curious (when they haven’t been neglected and/or mistreated), and yet, somehow, you are happy to eat them, but not a dog or cat. Why?
12. Linda New York NY March 3rd, 2010 6:28 pm
Wild predators must kill other animals to live; for humans other than those living on the edge of the wilderness subsistence level, it is a choice. Glorifying this choice and making it cute by this long article on rabbit-killing and preparation (complete with provocatively adorable large photo of a bunny) goes beyond “knowing where your food comes from” for those who eat meat.
I found this coy article morally repugnant, glorifying rabbit-killing as one more boutique activity for the leisure class. I think the editor probably felt similarly, heading the article, “Don’t tell the kids.” Why not? Because kids usually know that frivolous killing of defenseless animals is wrong.
Let us not act morally superior to those cultures that kill and eat dogs and cats, and let us think of the individual lives of all those individuals whom we eat not because we must, but because we choose to.
13. Pam Chicago March 3rd, 2010 10:51 am
Then why is the Mona Lisa bunny the chosen shot for the story on nytimes.com? Is there often a different editorial choice between print and online illustrative photographs?
14. Sandra Naperville, IL March 3rd, 2010 10:51 am
I grew up in Ohio and was always impressed by the 4H kids at the county fair. I had only cared for animals as pets, not as food, so it was amazing to me that the 4H kids knew their animals would be sold and killed for food after a year of dedication and loving attention.
My 9 year old son keeps a black and white Dutch bunny as a pet here in our home. When the rabbit is happy she does a little dance around the family room. When she is relaxed, she stretches out like a kitty in a windowseat on a sunny afternoon. She is litter box trained, and she knows her name!
We will not be biting down on braised Bunny anytime soon, but this article did make me pause and remind myself to appreciate my food more.
Oh for gods sake the article was meant to show people how to humanely raise their own food so they know where it comes from. They weren’t telling everyone to go out and kill their own pet rabbits. There is a huge difference between pets and livestock, and those rabbits are livestock. I hope they do more articles on how to keep them in your backyard and properly care for them. its too bad the house rabbit people had to speak up and ruin it for everyone else. But then again I am not surprised because these are the same people that can’t grasp the concept of livestock. Nor that the veggies they buy are grown by farmers who raise and eat their own livestock. Not to mention the amount of wildlife that have lost their homes because the fields had to plowed to grow the vegetables in.
Yes all of us read the article and it is a great article.
Cats and dogs aren’t considered a multipurpose animal in this country like rabbits are. It would make sense to butcher those rabbits that wouldn’t make good pets and use them as dog food.
Janelle,
The purpose of posting these comments was to prove that your view is not the only view but obviously that has gone over your head. Using your argument that cats and dogs are not considered a multi-purpose animal in the US. That may be true yes but there are many countries in the rest of the world who beg to differ. At least please own what you say and don’t discriminate on what or should not be considered edible. This article was in response to a recent trend in self sustainability due to the downturn in the economy. Dog or cat may just be the next thing on the menu whether you like it or not. I have a feeling that you would not be too fond of that.
The House Rabbit Society Is a wonderful organization just as is the AKC.
And unlike you who must be unemployed because you are on here every minute, I have to get back to work! Face it, us idiot vegeterians are here to staywhether you like it or not, you stupid hicks!
Notice that I said multipurose animals. Guess what. that means I accept the fact that rabbits are kept as pets, and as a food source. Its not the one sided view you guys seem to have. Which is pets and only pets. Personally I have no problem with people eating dogs and cats.
I never said you should butcher your pets! I, for one, have four rabbits I would never butcher. I simply think the UNWANTED animals(rabbit ONLY, not dogs or cats) should be humanely butchered to feed people and those wanted companion animals, like dogs and cats. The humane society and other shelters wouldn’t have to always be begging for dog and cat food that way. Besides, rabbit is a much more commonly accepted food in the US as well as most other countries (I believe, and don’t quote me on this, that China and Korea are the only two who do eat cats and dogs, and Korea only eats dogs and the long-haired cats are considered pets in China.There’s also a movement to stop people from eating cats altogether see http://www.messybeast.com/eat-cats.htm) Let me see, in England, France, The US, Canada, all eat rabbit. In fact, The USDA praises it’s health benefits.
This is an excerpt from http://ciaosamin.blogspot.com/2010/03/rabbit-statement.html .
“many of the letters seem to be written by people who own rabbits as pets and are disgusted at the thought of anyone eating an animal they consider part of the family.
to this, i ask: do you eat beef? in India, cattle are considered sacred. do you eat chicken? across the world, chickens are kept as pets. what about fish? practically every child in America has a pet goldfish at some point or another. unless you are a vegetarian (and even then, you must carefully consider where your dairy products are coming from) or a vegan, consider that the same atrocities you’re accusing us of committing are being committed in your name to animals of other species and breeds every single day. even a vegan diet, on one level or another, affects the welfare or quality of life of some living thing.
under what conditions are these pet rabbits bred, raised, and sold? how are they treated once adopted?
furthermore, rabbit meat has been a common food for humans on every single continent (except Antarctica) since ancient roman times. contrary to what is being argued, promoting the human consumption of rabbit is not a novel idea (sorry, but novella and i aren’t that creative). ”
I think that pretty much said it all!
“The House Rabbit $ociety Is a wonderful organization just as is the AKC”.
HR$ sucks, and they are nothing like the AKC because they are opposed to using rabbits as anything other than a substitute family member.
Rabbit as meat is very acceptable. I know the rabbit activists urged their mind numb followers to write in complaining to the Times about that rabbit article. If one doesn’t think rabbit is acceptable as meat just take a look at how much is harvested per year. No one is suggesting people eat their pet rabbit, but rabbit has always been and always will be acceptable as a food source. Most normal pet owners understand and respect others choices, the ARAs, well they respect no one and just like to complain.
But Marysia is like Muller ignoring the question how do they justify all the fellow sentient beings they kill and displace while they munch on their bean sprouts.
Vegan diet = murder
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=97836&page=1
Steven Davis says he didn’t set out to start a fight, but found one when he began attacking one of the most sacred beliefs of the vegetarian community.
One of the reasons most commonly cited by vegetarians for giving up meat is the conviction that other animals have a right to life as well as humans. But when Davis began setting up a course on animal ethics for the animal science department at Oregon State University four years ago, he reached a rather surprising conclusion.
Nobody’s hands are free from the blood of other animals, not even vegetarians, he concluded. Millions of animals are killed every year, Davis says, to prepare land for growing crops, “like corn, soybean, wheat and barley, the staples of a vegan diet.”
Smaller Victims
The animals in this case are mice and moles and rabbits and other creatures that are run over by tractors, or lose their habitat to make way for farming, so they are not as “visible” as cattle, he says.
And that, Davis says, gives rise to a fundamental question: “What is it that makes it OK to kill animals of the field so that we can eat [vegetables or fruits] but not pigs or chickens or cows?”
“If they say they don’t want to kill an animal so they can eat, I think their conclusion is misguided because they are killing animals so that they can eat that vegetarian diet,” Davis says. “Those animals happen to be a little bit invisible. They are not as obvious to the man on the street as killing a steer in the slaughterhouse. But nonetheless, it’s still going on.”
Corinne, Corinne, Corinne, you finally posted a defense that brought me to my knees (in prayer with a whole lot of head shaking).
Using Mr. Davis’ rational, I am horrified at the thought that everyone who drives a car, including me, is guilty of homicide. Why, think of all the lives and property that would be spared and no more road kill, etc, if we all stopped driving. And please, oh please, get rid of all the scissors! No telling how many eyes those things have poke out! And OH MY GOSH! Get rid of all the electricity! How many buildings have burned to the ground, people have died, animals have lost their lives, businesses have been destroyed and we, the consumers, are sooo selfish and we don’t care.
I don’t even have an MS or a Ph. D., nonetheless, look at all the barbaric cruelty I have been awakened to! The horror of it all is a lot for me to deal with. Perhaps you are right Corinne, I should crawl in a hole and weep for mercy.
There is much more I could write, but I have concluded, I am no match for YOUR level of intellect and education which appears to include your BS, MS and Ph. D (Bull S**t, More S**t Piled Higher and Deeper). Sorry folks, but I’m very traumatized by the awakening to all my criminal behavior.
Corinne, I don’t expect you to understand the message here, but perhaps others will.
P. S. If you don’t want to be ridiculed, don’t set yourself up for it.
The message should be while you ARAs think you’re so superior to the rest of the world…you’re not. So don’t speak out publicly calling farmers and people who support them and their products names because your diet also kills and displaces animals.
Vegan diet = murder
Doesn’t look like she cares that a bunch of wildlife die by being hit by the blades of a plow so she can eat her vegetables.They came on here slamming this poor guy for ‘farming’ his rabbits, and now they are trying to play the victim because we were soooo mean for standing up for him. They need to be a little bit more open minded towards animal ownership and accept the fact that some rabbits are kept as livestock and humanely killed and eaten.
rabbits, cows, pigs, and chickens are ‘multi-purpose’ animals because society has ascribed them as such…not by any measure of their intelligence or any other measure that deems them less of sentient beings. it is interesting how we so blindly assume this is right and okay to eat their flesh…while we love and protect other animals as members of the family…just because society tells us so. just because some letter of the law was written that has no basis or justification “why.” just because “traditionally” we have been taught it’s okay, doesn’t mean we can’t look deeper and question the validity.
yes, perhaps they don’t live and love and communicate just like humans. but all animals do have a yearn to live, as do we, and if we don’t want to be captured for the flesh on our bones, why do we succumb another being to such torture? and before we can fully understand the language of all the living, it is unfair and unfit for us to judge they are “lesser” beings only suitable to be meals simply because they look different.
‚Äö√Ñ√∫Auschwitz begins whenever someone looks at a slaughterhouse and thinks: they‚Äö√Ñ√¥re only animals.‚Äö√Ñ√π –Theodor Adorno
regarding the question about animals being killed for vegetable growing/harvesting — perhaps no one has cared to respond for the sheer ridiculousness of the claim. consider the stark differences between unpreventable and pre-meditated. you’ve also neglected the fact that up to 85% of the world’s soy and 45% of the world’s cereals are NOT harvested for us vegans. they are to feed the mass produced animals that eventually become meat. meanwhile, grain prices are going up and billions of people can’t afford to eat and die from starvation. consider also that around 80% of rainforests are cleared simply for the purpose of meat raising.
we can sit here and stubbornly defend the right to eat animals, but know that such eating habits are simply NOT sustainable for the planet anymore. we say that the Earth is overpopulated with over 6 billion people. there are more than 30 billion cattle that WE are breeding to feed ourselves. I don’t need to calculate for you to realize how resource intensive this is. turning off the light and biking to work are going to do nothing to save the environment while there still exists factory farming.
lastly, humans are NOT carnivores; we are omnivores, meaning we can survive with or without meat. as we deem ourselves the crown of the creation and the stewards of the Earth, it is only fitting that we exercise compassion and don’t dine on the flesh of deceased animals. we call lions and tigers beasts, and vultures scavengers, yet we do the same thing feeding on the flesh of another.
someone also left a comment that said you can’t be healthy eating only vegetables — Carl Lewis, 9 time Olympic medalist, remarked that his BEST year as a competitor was the year he was vegan. there are too many case studies that prove veganism is a diet of health, endurance, and sustainability. if you care to know further, I’m sure you will read up on your own anyway.
but perhaps ignorance truly is bliss. and so is heart disease, obesity, cancer, diabetes, and methane pollution.
God I love it when people compare the death of an animal to something that was very tragic in history. Sorry but the death of an animal that is going to be eaten=/= Auschwitz. you obviously have no experience with farming either, because guess what? The rest of us do. Trees are cut down, and wildlife is killed and displaced to plow fields and grow crops in. And no the majority of soy beans grown does not go back into feeding livestock. Most of it goes into things like plastic, cars, etc. And you are also wrong about the rain forest. 80% is cleared to feed the worlds population, and guess what? A lot of people also eat the veggies and grains where those trees once grew.
Vegan diet = murder
The whole compare animals raised for food to the holocaust just shows the anti-human attitude ARAs have.
“it is interesting how we so blindly assume this is right and okay to eat their flesh‚Äö√Ѭ∂while we love and protect other animals as members of the family”
I’m not so sure dogs and cats have enough meat to make it worth it, taste as good as other animals, or their meat has the health value other meat like rabbit has. Rabbit is very healthy to eat, even more so than chicken. And the thing about rabbits, while some make nice pets many others simply don’t. They are prey animals and as such their personalities don’t always lend itself to being a great pet like a cat or dog. So yes they are a multi-purpose animal and there isn’t anything wrong with that. Get over it.
“consider the stark differences between unpreventable and pre-meditated. ”
And here we go, it’s okay for animals to be killed for vegans but it isn’t okay when it’s someone who likes meat. You ARAs are such hypocrites.
Vegan = murder
Their logic is way out of whack. must be from the lack of nutrients. They are starving!
Okay, I want to start by saying that I have nothing against vegans per se. I simply believe that we should all be able to choose our own diets instead of them being forced on us no matter who we are or who is doing the forcing. I don’t want to make you eat meat. I wouldn’t want you to tell me to eat nothing but veggies,either. Even though I actually like veggies. However, I did my research, and I will admit when I’m wrong. It turns out that, with a (artificial) b12 supplement, vegans CAN be healthy! I have no desire to become a vegan myself, but I thought it would be wrong to put the “vegans are unhealthy thing” out there without a retraction. Sorry. But eating meat is not murder, either. I just wanted you to know I really do see both sides of the issue, I just still don’t agree with you.
Here are some sites to check out.
http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydiet/vegaveg/
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-20179-Manhattan-Vegan-Examiner~y2009m8d26-Can-Children-Be-Vegan-and-Vegetarian
http://www.starchefs.com/features/food_debates/html/issue_01.shtml
http://blog.vegansa.com/2010/01/can-unhealthy-vegan-diets-cause-brain-damage/
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/502843/seven_signs_that_you_might_have_a_vitamin.html
P.S. I hope all the vegans out there are making sure you’re getting enough B12. A shortage can cause brain damage and a whole host of other probs.
I would like everyone to take a look at the fruit and vegg. farmers who get permits to shoot deer at night with a spot light becuse of crop damage. and they belly shoot them so they will run off the land and die, they do this becuse of the vegans, and if they belly shoot them and their permit is to shoot lets say 50 deer it don’t count unless they have the deer. this is a question for the vegans how is this right. but I understand this if i was a farmer and the deer were eating my crop i would also shoot all of them too.
John, you mentioned in an earlier post that it was the last time you were going to write. I really think you might want to stop now. This “conversation” is getting a bit ridiculous. I’m not trying to silence anybody, just pointing out that arguing over this is a bit like arguing over religion…everybody is convinced they are 100% correct, and the other side is stupid/misled/evil/lying. And I view this argument with the same outlook I have on something like abortion. I recall seeing a sign at a Pro-Choice march in Washington in the late ”80’s that I think perfectly summed up my views on abortion: “Against abortion? Don’t have one.” In this instance it would be: “Against eating rabbits? Don’t eat rabbits.” It really is as simple as that.
I personally do not eat rabbits however I sell them to people who most likely do. I find it easier to sell rabbits using the no questions policy. -“Do not ask where your rabbits are going if you do not really want to know”
It’s incredible how callus and heartless humans are for the Almighty dollar. It’s easy when the victim is helpless and the brute can rationalize his behavior.
There is no hope for a gentler world as long as man would rather be blind and worry about how he looks rather than be concerned about what he sees.
Oops! a typo: the word is callous not callas.
U R A MURDER !!!
I HATE SUCH PEOPLE LIKE U!
I HOPE SOMEBODY WILL KILL AND EAT U AND EVERYONE WHO DOES THIS WHOLY SHIT TOO!!!
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I am a meat eater and I love also to eat veggies and I just want to say that we are not “murdering” the animals okay?! God gave us these animals to survive in this earth and it doesn’t mean that if we are slaying rabbits, pigs etc. we become killers. If you are so called the “passionate consumer” as a vegan, meat lovers are so- called the”fervent end user of God’s creation”.
Plants are still species like the animals. You are also the “fervent end user of God’s creation” through eating plants.
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